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    Fahrenheit 911

    Nach dem Welterfolg "Bowling for Columbine" wird der gute Michael Moore jetzt einen neuen Dokumentarfilm drehen, dessen Titel so genial und böse er auch sein mag schon einiges über den Inhalt verrät: "Fahrenheit 911"Jeder anständige Leser sollte Ray Bradbury's Zukunfts-Sozialkritik "Fahrenheit 451" kennen, die Temperatur bei der Papier Feuer fängt.

    Produziert wird der neue Moore von Mel Gibson's Firma Icon Productions.
    Zu erst sei gesagt, ich liebe diesen Mann! Ein Amerikaner der sein Land liebt, es aber dennoch versteht genug Kritik auszuüben damit er etwas verändern kann. Ich mochte Moore schon vor "Bowling for Columbine". Praktisch seit ich "Roger & Me" das erste Mal gesehen habe. Der Film über den Vorsitzenden von General Motors - Roger Smith. GM hatte damals einige große Sauerreien in Moore's Heimatstadt Flint (Michigan) zu verantworten.
    Canadien Bacon mit John Candy ist sein erster "non-Dokumentarfilm" gewesen, der für jeden Candy Film natürlich ein Muss war/ist.
    Außerdem habe ich eine Menge Folgen seiner beiden unglaublich guten, bösen und sozialkritischen TV Serien namens "The Awful Truth" und TV Nation gesehen. Dann kam natürlich sein großer Romanerfolg mit Stupid White Men das im Dezember letzten Jahres erschienen ist. Dazu kommt noch das Moore anständige Videos für Bands macht die sich auch politisch engagieren (engagierten) ala System of a Down oder Rage against the Machine. Ein All-Around-Talent.
    Sein Bowling for Columbine hat mich dann aber vollkommen überzeugen können, und ich bin überzeugt das es nun lange keine Dokumentation geben wird die soviel Aufsehen und Kritik auf sich ziehen wird.

    Worum wird es jetzt in Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 911" genau gehen?

    United Press International: Michael Moore plans Bush-bin Laden film

    sonstige gute Informationen über das Projekt und über Michael Moore:

    Democrat and Chronicle Article

    AICN News

    Michael Moore's Homepage

    “I’m making a film called Fahrenheit 911, the temperature at which freedom burns. It’ll be about how Bush is using 9/11 and those 3,000 lost lives as an excuse to move along his own conservative agenda.”
    If it can be written, or thought, it can be filmed. (Stanley Kubrick)

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    Ja, das hatte ich auch grad gestern gelesen...scheint was Interessantes zu werden!

    Weiß eigentlich in dem Zusammenhang Jemand, wie das "offizielle Amerika", sprich die Waffen und Mächtig-Männer-Lobby,sprich Washington, sprich das White House, sprich das "Bush-Pack" den guten Michael Moore aufnimmt? Ignoriert sie den komplett als Spinner, REagiert sie gelegentlich auf ihn? Etwa mit Klagen, Prozessen, Drohungen, Überwachung?

    In dem Zusammenhang hier mal der offene Brief von Moore an Bush Junior, seinen "fictious president" kurz vor Beginn des jetzigen Golfkrieges am Tag als Bush eigentlich im UN-Sicherheitsrat eine Abstimmung und die Franzosen und Co abstimmen sehen lassen wollte. Allein der Beginn des Briefes ist schon "hilarious"... "Dear Governor Bush" ... MEGA-LOL


    Monday, March 17, 2003

    A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War

    George W. Bush
    1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
    Washington, DC

    Dear Governor Bush:

    So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

    1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

    2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

    3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

    4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

    5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

    6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

    Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

    But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

    Yours,

    Michael Moore

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    Fahrenheit 9/11

    den hatte ich bereits am 18.03 im "Ausnahmezustand: Angriff auf den Iraq" - Topic gepostet...

    etwas interessanter und vor allem aktueller wäre da folgender Kommentar von Mr. Moore:

    I'd Like to Thank the Vatican...

    By Michael Moore
    March 27, 2003

    A word of advice to future Oscar winners: Don't begin Oscar day by going to church.

    That is where I found myself this past Sunday morning, at the Church of the Good Shepherd on Santa Monica Boulevard, at Mass with my sister and my dad. My problem with the Catholic Mass is that sometimes I find my mind wandering after I hear something the priest says, and I start thinking all these crazy thoughts like how it is wrong to kill people and that you are not allowed to use violence upon another human being unless it is in true self-defense.

    The pope even came right out and said it: This war in Iraq is not a just war and, thus, it is a sin.

    Those thoughts were with me the rest of the day, from the moment I left the church and passed by the homeless begging for change (one in six American children living in poverty is another form of violence), to the streets around the Kodak Theater where antiwar protesters were being arrested as I drove by in my studio-sponsored limo.

    I had not planned on winning an Academy Award for "Bowling for Columbine" (no documentary that was a big box-office success had won since "Woodstock"), and so I had no speech prepared. I'm not much of a speech-preparer anyway, and besides, I had already received awards in the days leading up to the Oscars and used the same acceptance remarks. I spoke of the need for nonfiction films when we live in such fictitious times. We have a fictitious president who was elected with fictitious election results. (If you still believe that 3,000 elderly Jewish Americans -- many of them Holocaust survivors -- voted for Pat Buchanan in West Palm Beach in 2000, then you are a true devotee to the beauty of fiction!) He is now conducting a war for a fictitious reason (the claim that Saddam Hussein has stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction when in fact we are there to get the world's second-largest supply of oil).

    Whether it is a tax cut that is passed off as a gift to the middle class or a desire to drill holes in the wilds of Alaska, we are continually bombarded with one fictitious story after another from the Bush White House. And that is why it is important that filmmakers make nonfiction, so that all the little lies can be exposed and the public informed. An uninformed public in a democracy is a sure-fire way to end up with little or no democracy at all.

    That is what I have been saying for some time. Millions of Americans seem to agree. My book "Stupid White Men" still sits at No. 1 on the bestseller list (it's been on that list now for 53 weeks and is the largest-selling nonfiction book of the year). "Bowling for Columbine" has broken all box-office records for a documentary. My Web site is now getting up to 20 million hits a day (more than the White House's site). My opinions about the state of the nation are neither unknown nor on the fringe, but rather they exist with mainstream majority opinion. The majority of Americans, according to polls, want stronger environmental laws, support Roe vs. Wade and did not want to go into this war without the backing of the United Nations and all of our allies.

    That is where the country is at. It's liberal, it's for peace and it is only tacitly in support of its leader because that is what you are supposed to do when you are at war and you want your kids to come back from Iraq alive.

    In the commercial break before the best documentary Oscar was to be announced, I suddenly thought that maybe this community of film people was also part of that American majority and just might have voted for my film, which, in part, takes on the Bush administration for manipulating the public with fear so it can conduct its acts of aggression against the Third World. I leaned over to my fellow nominees and told them that, should I win, I was going to say something about President Bush and the war and would they like to join me up on the stage? I told them that I felt like I'd already had my moment with the success of the film and that I would love for them to share the stage with me so they could have their moment too. (They had all made exceptional films and I wanted the public to see these filmmakers and hopefully go see their films.)

    They all agreed.

    Moments later, Diane Lane opened the envelope and announced the winner: "Bowling for Columbine." The entire main floor rose to its feet for a standing ovation. I was immeasurably moved and humbled as I motioned for the other nominees to join my wife (the film's producer) and me up on the stage.

    I then said what I had been saying all week at those other awards ceremonies. I guess a few other people had heard me say those things too because before I had finished my first sentence about the fictitious president, a couple of men (some reported it was "stagehands" just to the left of me) near a microphone started some loud yelling. Then a group in the upper balcony joined in. What was so confusing to me, as I continued my remarks, was that I could hear this noise but looking out on the main floor, I didn't see a single person booing. But then the majority in the balcony -- who were in support of my remarks -- started booing the booers.

    It all turned into one humungous cacophony of yells and cheers and jeers. And all I'm thinking is, "Hey, I put on a tux for this?"

    I tried to get out my last line ("Any time you've got both the pope and the Dixie Chicks against you, you're not long for the White House") and the orchestra struck up its tune to end the melee. (A few orchestra members came up to me later and apologized, saying they had wanted to hear what I had to say.) I had gone 55 seconds, 10 more than allowed.

    Was it appropriate? To me, the inappropriate thing would have been to say nothing at all or to thank my agent, my lawyer and the designer who dressed me -- Sears Roebuck. I made a movie about the American desire to use violence both at home and around the world. My remarks were in keeping with exactly what my film was about. If I had a movie about birds or insects, I would have talked about birds or insects. I made a movie about guns and Americans' tradition of using them against the world and each other.

    And, as I walked up to the stage, I was still thinking about the lessons that morning at Mass. About how silence, when you observe wrongs being committed, is the same as committing those wrongs yourself. And so I followed my conscience and my heart.

    On the way back home to Flint, Mich., the day after the Oscars, two flight attendants told me how they had gotten stuck overnight in Flint with no flight -- and wound up earning only $30 for the day because they are paid by the hour.

    They said they were telling me this in the hope that I would tell others. Because they, and the millions like them, have no voice. They don't get to be commentators on cable news like the bevy of retired generals we've been watching all week. (Can we please demand that the U.S. military remove its troops from ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/MSNBC/Fox?) They don't get to make movies or talk to a billion people on Oscar night. They are the American majority who are being asked to send their sons and daughters over to Iraq to possibly die so Bush's buddies can have the oil.

    Who will speak for them if I don't? That's what I do, or try to do, every day of my life, and March 23, 2003 -- though it was one of the greatest days of my life and an honor I will long cherish -- was no different.

    Except I made the mistake of beginning it in a church.
    If it can be written, or thought, it can be filmed. (Stanley Kubrick)

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    Ja *den* hab ich auch gelesen, aber sorry, den anderen von Dir im IRAK-TOPIC überhaupt *nicht* ... wo ist denn noch gleich meine Brille....


    Weißt DU etwas über meine oben gestellte Frage., Matt; wie Moore aufgenommen wird vom offiziellen Washington?

    Ich lach mich tot...."Dear Governor Bush".... *der* is echt gut....einfach herrlich kaltschnäuzig und respektlos...wie es Schorsch braucht! Ich glaub ich muß mal eben meine Sig ändern...

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    also viele Zeitungen, Kritiker und auch Leute aus der Bevölkerung stehen sehr zwiegespalten zu Moore. "Shame on you, Mr. Moore, Shame on you". War nach den Academy Awards die Überschrift in mehreren großen amerikanischen Tageszeitungen.

    Aber ich weiß leider auch nicht genau wie Bush, bzw. seine offiziellen Sprecher zu Moore stehen. Darüber ist meines Erachtens auch nichts bekannt.

    Aber jetzt lasst uns über "Fahrenheit 911" sprechen
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    Ich als einer, der die USA zwar als ein schönes Land mit netten Mesnchen empfindet, die Bush-Regierung aber auch lieber irgendwo auf dem Mond sehen würde, liege mit MM natürlich ziemlich auf einer Wellenlinie und freue mich dementsprechen auf seinen neuen Film.

    Ich möchte noch sagen, dass der President in Amerika einen ganz anderen ideologischen Stellenwert hat, als z.B. der Bundeskanzler bei uns. Er hat für das Volk etwas heiliges, dieses Verhältnis ist in den USA über Jahrehunderte gewachsen, man beleidigt den Presidenten einfach nicht öffentlich und stimmt ihm lieber zähneknirschend zu, als ihm öffentlich zu wiedersprechen. Angesichst dessen finde ich MM Rede bei den AA umso beeindruckender, mutiger und bewundernswerter.
    Des weiteren gibt es imo, korregiert mich bitte, wenn ich falsch liege, keine offiziellen Statemanets zu MM, ist doch auch logisch, denn jegliche Art von Reaktion, sei es nun eine Antwort auf seine Aussagen oder eine Klage, wäre schon ein Sieg für MM, also ignoriert man.
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    Zumindest erwähnt Ebert in mittlerweile ziemlich oft in mehreren Essays wie auch dem zu der Oscarverleihung der am Tag danach veröffentlicht wurde.

    Gerade habe ich Eberts (Chicago Sun-Times) Seite folgenden Text gefunden:

    Picking up a 'Bowling' split

    March 23, 2003

    BY ROGER EBERT

    I am sorry you had to reprint Internet crap in your column today. It is a lie to say anything but the following:

    1. I was handed that gun in that bank and walked out with it and have it in my possession to this day. I NEVER had to go to any gun shop. The scene happened just the way you saw it. I'd be happy to send you all the raw footage.

    2. The Columbine shooters DID go to the bowling alley that morning. I can supply you with the five witnesses, including their teacher. It's all there in the investigation conducted by the state of Colorado.

    I don't understand why, after all these years, you would run stuff that wasn't true. It was hugely disappointing to read it.

    Michael Moore, Flint, Mich.

    Moore is referring to my Oscar predictions piece, in which I wrote that his "Bowling for Columbine" was probably going to win the Oscar, and added: "...recent charges that he made up stuff probably won't hurt it, because somehow you know, watching it, that Moore has granted himself poetic license. So, OK, the Columbine killers didn't go bowling earlier that morning, as a news report falsely claimed. So, OK, that bank didn't hand you the rifle as a premium right there in the bank, but made you go to a gun shop to pick it up..."

    His message does not precisely address the second item. I believe Moore was handed the gun right there in the bank, but I am not sure an average customer would have been. As for the first item, Moore has a disagreement with the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. According to Andy Ihnatko of Boston, who has been researching the film and talked to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office, teachers and students at the class did not see the killers there, and they were marked absent. Moore, on the other hand, says he has five eyewitnesses. Currently, I am being copied on a voluminous correspondence between Moore and Ihnatko, with both sides citing persuasive information, and I confess that I cannot determine objective fact. All I know is that "Bowling for Columbine" is a brilliant polemic.
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    Zitat Zitat von Matt
    Produziert wird der neue Moore von Mel Gibson's Firma Icon Productions.
    Mel Gibson wollte mal ein Remake zum Film Fahrenheit 451 drehen.
    Ich wünsche Euch ewiges Leben

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    cool
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    klingt interessant und vielversprechend, ich freu mich 8)
    "Findest du nicht auch, dass das Leben ziemlich sinnlos wäre ohne das Kino?"

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