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    Nach den ganzen Verrissen in der Kritik und deren Meinung, dass es sich hier um ein billiger Abklatsch von "Armageddon" handeln würde, hatte ich schon schlimme Befürchtungen. Doch diese waren ganz unbegründet. Ok, die Story ist einfach nur sinnlos, aber das konnte ich hinnehmen. Naja, zum einen konnte der Film mich unterhalten; was allerdings auch manchmal daran lag, dass die Story so schlecht war, dass ich mich köstlich darüber amüsieren konnte. Schade fand ich allerdings, dass die Charaktere einfach nur hingeschlampt wurden und keiner wirklich Persönlichkeit besitzt. Auch ein wenig mehr Humor hätte dem Film gut getan ... obwohl, durch die Schwachsinnigkeit von manchen Szenen konnte man genug lachen. Ich will den Film jetzt nicht schlecht machen, denn gerade das Trashige hat mir gefallen und insgesamt fand ich "The Core" ja doch ganz ok.

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    Also ich hatte mich mit dem Film bisher nicht sonderlich beschäftigt, aber gerade lief ein Bericht darüber im Fernsehen. Also sehe ich das richtig, der Film handelt von folgendem: Der innere Kern unserers Planeten dreht sich (so so!) und aufgrund diser Drehung werden wir Menschen vor kosmischen Stürmen und gefährlicher Mikrowellenstrahlung geschützt (macht Sinn). So und aufgrund unseres unverantwortlichen Umgangs mit der Umwelt hat dieser Kern sich jetzt aufgehört zu drehen (na logisch!), weshalb jetzt alles im Chaos zu versinken droht. Die Lösung: Man fährt zum inneren der Erde (aha), zündet eine Atombombe (aaaah ja) und bringt den Kern damit wieder zum laufen (was auch sonst). Also das ist doch wohl die Ausgeburt des Schwachsinns. Die Vereinigung aller Dümmlichkeiten. Wie bescheuert gehts denn?

    Wenn ich dann Markus' Review lese und darin erfahre, daß auch der Rest der Story nur aus dreisten Schwachsinnigkeiten besteht, die Schauspieler durchgehend schlecht sind und Charaktere quasi nicht vorhanden sind, dann muß ich mich doch ernsthaft fragen was jemand an diesem Film nur unterhaltsam finden kann. Muß ich mir sorgen um die Menscheit machen?

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    Ich sag ja, dass die Story des Films kompletter Schwachsinn ist und gerade das macht den Film unfreiwillig komisch. Der halbe Saal hat sich bei dem Film manchmal vor Lachen weggeschmissen und trotzdem kam in der Sneak ein Schnitt von 2,4 heraus.

    Ich finde ihn nicht gut; eigentlich sogar grottenschlecht; aber unterhalten hat er mich durch seine blödheit allemal.

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    Quelle: AICN
    hier ein wenig über den "wissenschaftlichen" Aspekt aus "The Core":

    A big brained Geologist type examines the science and the story of THE CORE!
    Hey folks, Harry here... wasn't planning on running anything more on THE CORE, but Ted here is a GeoPhysics freak with his own radio show in California, and he wanted to write up a piece about some of the science of the film... how likely it can be true and what was utter bullshit... like the 1000 megatons bit... There are TONS OF SPOILERS, but as I mentioned in my GRAND CANYON piece, the movie has fun elements, but mostly it is very cookie cutter. However, the real end of North America thing that Ted mentions here... that's got me interested. Hmmm, must research this thing... Here ya go...
    Hey Harry, long-time site visitor, first time poster. Call me Ted. Never felt I had a valid reason to share my opinions with you and your readership, but after seeing The Core, felt compelled to say something about this movie. I'm a talk radio co-host for a science news show, my academic background is in geology/oceanography (UC Berkeley). Love disaster movies, and am a nut for geophysics; needless to say I was long anticipating this movie. How often do you get to see geology itself as an antagonist?

    However, I wasn't expecting to see an even remotely accurate depiction of earth science in this film. It's a movie, and I'm more than willing to suspend disbelief in such matters. Armageddon, Independence Day, you name it -- if you're into that kind of thing, you can enjoy them for storytelling value even if you like to nitpick scientific points of wild inaccuracy (Volcano notwithstanding that movie is a geologic and cinematic travesty).

    From a science standpoint, The Core is pleasantly surprising. Regarding presentation of the facts, it's actually not too bad. This is not to say it doesn't take huge liberties for the sake of cinematic license - it does, naturally. But it does do a pretty good job, with some nice surprises in the way of geology. It may be the film's producers actually consulted some experts in the field, if that can be believed.

    I'll try to keep this spoiler free. Not that there's much to spoil - I mean, anyone who's seen any disaster movie will know the general formula going in, and this movie doesnít screw with that time-honored tradition by throwing in 'twists' or having our heroes, god forbid, not save the earth in the end. The biggest surprise is the hefty running time of 145 minutes. I was expecting around 90 minutes, but no. Pretty much, this movie can be broken down into 1) figure out there's a problem with the core, 2) travel to the core, and 3) fix the core. No surprises there. 30 minutes for each segment would be standard treatment, but the movie didn't suffer for the length and I found myself enjoying it enough that I didn't get up to pee, even though the theater was so empty I wouldn't have had to crawl over 20 sets of toes to do so.

    So, the core has stopped spinning due to a lightly-touched-on and little-explained secret weapon project designed to produce earthquakes in enemy countries. 'Somehow' this has stopped the core, and since stopping the core is the only purpose of this plot device, it is left at that, which is fine. Geniuses are called in to address the problem, a rogue scientist who just happens to have been designing a ship to travel into the earth is recruited, and bang, we're off to the core. Once there, nuclear weapons will be set off to get the core spinning again, and all will be right with the world. As per usual these days, we know this all from the trailers.

    I came for the disaster, but I stayed for the science. As I said earlier, it's surprisingly not that bad. Depicting the interior of the earth, for long periods of screen time, is a daunting challenge I imagine if one wants to keep it fairly accurate while not boring the audience to tears. Rocks, even molten rocks, are not the most exciting of villains, and that's all we get in the way of bad guys. There's no-evil-people-trying-to- sabotage-our-heroes-only-to-get-thwarted-in-the-end in this film (which I did expect to see - they even set one of the characters up for it, but he turns out to be a hero too, which was another pleasantly surprising aspect). Rocks, and just rocks, are what we have to contend with here. And there are a lot of exterior (interior?) shots of the ship moving through various layers of the earth. They give you just enough Geology 101 to explain the different layers the ship is moving through, and make it good eye-candy while still sticking to what we know about geomorphology at these depths (which, as the characters often point out, 'we just don't know for sure what it's like down there' which is true, to a point).

    The biggest complaint I overheard grumbled by fellow theater-goers on my way out, as well as voiced by my wife (who I at least got the opportunity to geek out with and explain things to afterward) was that the ship they used was just totally impossible. Not true. In fact, if we really wanted to, we could probably have built a ship similar to the one shown in the film about twenty years ago. Temperatures and pressures much higher than those encountered in the earth's core are regularly contained, and have been for some time, in experimental fusion reactors (like the ones at Lawrence Livermore Labs) for some decades now. It could be done, there's just no good reason to go to all the expense to do so in reality. And while such a ship could, and I stress could (it would be prohibitively expensive and would require not-insubstantial materials research and development), it was amusing that they just came out and said that the ship was made from a material called 'unobtanium.' Yes, unobtanium. The old sci-fi put-down, they just came out and said it. I chuckled.

    Sure, using nuclear weapons to jump-start the core was a cop-out, but I can't think of a better one as far as telling a story goes. The 1,000 megatons they used in this movie would in reality be just another drop in the bucket in the naturally-occurring whitenoise of magma displacement in the earth's interior. 1,000 megatons is nothing on a planetary scale. (Read up on the Yellowstone supervolcano if you're interested in not going to sleep tonight. This puppy is set to blow real soon and take out most of North America with it - yes, really.)

    The disappointments in this movie were not so much from the science but from the over-doing of the formula. OK, so six people, tops in their fields, go into a highly-experimental untested ship on a suicide mission to save the earth. We all know that they're not all coming back alive - who doesn't see that coming? What annoys me here is that, of course, the two youngest, most attractive, and most single two are the ones who survive, and of course all the other four crewmembers have to die. And they all die the same damn way! You know, as-bad-luck-would-have-it-I'm-here-in-this-compartment- and-what-I'm-doing-is- absolutely-essential-to-get-everyone-to-The-Next-Step-In- Saving-The-Earth-but-I-can't- finish-what-I'm-doing-without-getting-killed-so-you'll- just-have-to-consign-me-to-my-fate-and-tell-my-wife-I-love-her-and-briefly-gnash-your-teeth-over-my-death-but-then-quickly-get-on-to-killing-off-the-next-poor-sap. All four of the people who die do so in this fashion. Tired. Can we please have a disaster movie where they all make it back alive? Or, as in Deep Impact, where they all (the people trying to save the earth, anyway) die?

    Another annoying character element was the computer geek kid hired by the Powers That Be to keep the whole project secret. This felt totally tacked-on and was meant to appeal to what? The computer geek movie-going contingent? Hell, if they really want to see this movie they'll have already downloaded the screener before it even hit the theaters. It was pretty lame, not to mention that he's addicted to Hot Pockets, which 'help him concentrate.' I don't mind the occasional shameless product promotion, but Hot Pockets? Come on.

    However, on the characterization angle I did appreciate that they didn't try to throw in a needless love interest aspect. This movie is about saving the earth, pure and simple. Even when the last two crew members are looking at certain death (even though they survive in the end) but just happen to have a few minutes of expected life remaining and just happen to be isolated and cocooned in a cozy little unobtanium bathtub and both just happen to be a good-looking and unattached male and female, they do not get it on. I found that refreshing, if for nothing else than that it was unformulaic.

    One final thing. Being a smoker myself, it was nice to see the badguy-turned-goodguy scientist refuse to give his theory for last-ditch saving of the earth until he was allowed to smoke a cigarette inside the ship 2,000 miles beneath the planetís surface, and when he finally lights up, utter 'Thank god.'

    That's about it. A fun film that gives you just a little bit more than what you expect, and these days, that ain't so bad. Disaster fans should like it, and while it's not (and makes no claims to be) totally scientifically accurate, it does a surprising job of trying to stick to the facts. By the way, the website's kinda neat too, with a fairly entertaining earth-ship flightsimulator, and a cool flash version of the proto-videogame Pong. (The computer geek character plays Pong in the movie - I just think it's neat that you can play it instantly now on the net on some movie site, when back when I was a wee lad there were lines around the college bar in my hometown to play the real thing, yet I date myself)

    Take care, man, I love your site, as do many other people. Keep up the good work and for the love of god don't listen to all the a$$hole posters who put you down and talk crap, you are doing a service and are making something of your life, and that's all that counts. Visiting your site is one of the simple pleasures in my life and the lives of many others, I'm sure.

    Shameless plug ThisWeekInScience.Com - that's my (and a couple other peoples') radio show, out here in northern california.

    All the best,

    Ted
    If it can be written, or thought, it can be filmed. (Stanley Kubrick)

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    Da gibt es im übrigen so viele Szenen bei denen man sich wegschmeißen kann:



    Der Anzug schützt nur vor x C° ; naja, bis zum Knopf am Ende des Raumes wirds schon langen, auch wenn es doppelt so heißt ist, wie der Hitzeanzug aushält.

    Man steigt dann auch ein paar tausend Meilen unter der Erde mal so mir nichts dir nichts aus.

    Eine Atombombe, soso, warum muss das eigentlich eine Atombombe sein?

    Ein Shuttle stürzt mitten in einer Großstadt ab und landet unter ein paar Brücken, auch ganz nett. (war das nicht zufällig das gleiche Set wie bei T2?)


    das könnte ich jetzt bestimmt noch ewig fortsetzen


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    @Matt, Mensch wer liestn dis alles? Fass das doch bitte mal kurz und knapp zusammen

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    ich lese das, und Leute die interessiert sind den realistischen Standpunkt der Geologie in The Core zu ergründen und zu verstehen... ist doch nicht allzu viel
    If it can be written, or thought, it can be filmed. (Stanley Kubrick)

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    Also bei nem Film bei dem ich schon vom Trailer weiss, dass der Schwachfug ist, fang ich sicher nicht an über den Realismus seitenlange Exkurse zu lesen, zumal mich das in den allerseltensten Fällen bei Filmen interessiert. Konkret zu Matts Neigung ganze Essays zu posten ...ich muss sagen, dass ich nicht immer die Lust habe das durchzulesen, oft lass ichs einfach ganz bleiben. Weil sooo sehr interessiert mich selten was. Mag sein, dass andere Leute das gern durcharbeiten, in jedem Fall schadet es nicht, dass es da ist, kann ja jeder entscheiden ob ers lesen will

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    die Vorschau zu dem Film fand ich zwar sehr bescheiden aber wenn der tatsächlich so trashig ist wie ihr meint, lohnt er sich vielleicht doch.
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    lohnen nicht unbedingt; wenn die Alternative dazu aber Jackass oder sowas wie Suche impotenten Mann fürs Leben wäre, dann würde ich eher zu the core tendieren; da kann man wenigstens über blödheit lachen.

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